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Submitted by kid_prototype on Wed, 04/18/2007 - 11:32pm.
kid_prototype
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there are so many questions...
what kind of writing do we want to do? why is writing important to us? how does it tie in with other aspects of our lives? when we talked about doing a writing circle, poeple wanted to do things from songwriting and poetry to journalism to academic writing, from performance to publication. I believe writing is a tool of thought and expression. It clarifies our intentions. It helps us understand things inside and outside of us. I used to really consider myself a writer, and the role seemed to fit me. I wrote and performed poetry, i kept a journal, i did a zine, i was constantly composing in my head. Metaphors and descriptions came easily to me. But i feel i've been losing that. Nowadays I only really really write to-do lists and stuff for misled youth or other more work-related purposes. Occasionally my longing for creative expression will manifest as a sort of desperate stream of thought rant about how far away i am from living the way i should.

Perhaps we should start by introducing ourselves as the writers we are or wish we were. i would be happy to share some old pieces if anyone was interested. maybe once we see where we are, we'll have a better idea of where to go.

--sarah



Mon, 04/23/2007 - 12:18am
xcriteria
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intro

I'd like to journal more and engage in conversations on web forums, as well as eventually write some journalistic stuff, possibly combined with photography. And other things. Smiling

I have, or I'm supposed to have, a very high verbal ability, but it doesn't always translate so well into actually writing or speaking effectively. I think some of it is a lack of practice, and some of it is just mindset. In general I think people often "hide" their talent for various reasons, usually unconsciously. Anyway, I have always had trouble with motivation to pratice writing, so a lot of my potential is in a raw form. When I do write, I often use more words than necessary, really long sentences, etc. And I have usually failed to go back and edit what I managed to write at a given point in time. I'd like to work on improving all of those things. And basically just writing more. I'm usually most motivated to write when I'm really excited about or frustrated about something, or in the context of web forums like this. But when I lose momentum with a forum, it can be hard to get going again.

I think it would be great if those interested in writing posted more on the forums -- including myself. Smiling



Mon, 04/23/2007 - 11:19pm
CeCeDe
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Free Write

There's an excercise called free writing where you write anything and everything you think as rapidly as you can regardless of how stupid it sounds, or looks, or whatever. It's suppose to allow you to move into your left brain, which is the creative one, and work from there rather than the right brain, which is the bossy bitchy one. A lot of the stuff that you write in the first ones is totally stupid and weird cause it's harder to reach the left brain. But after a while it really helps you with creative writing (metaphors, description, etc.), and it's the kind of thing you can do basically anywhere in any free seconds that you have.

Maybe we should have some kind of meeting where people bring in writing they've done before and show it off or where people do excercises like the free write and share them and use them as tools in writing. I mean writing is a fairly lucid and flexible topic. Getting a writing circle in motion would be fairly simple. All we need is a time/date/place; People could bring they're own writing and ideas and whatever else they want to bring, and meetings wouldn't really have to involve that much planning or agenda. Even if we put together a zine or something of that nature, the only thing we'd really need was email and other forms of communication (i.e. this site).

I think that a writing circle is probably even more possible than our already very possible mobile art squad.



Tue, 04/24/2007 - 12:22am
kid_prototype
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writing circle

i've had to do free writing in school before, it's always suprised me how i could come up with something fairly rhythmic and poetic even when i feel all shtty and tired early in the morning.

i would like to share some of my writing from the past just to show to others/remind myself what i'm like as a writer. At the same time i really distance myself from old creative work i've done, it starts seeming hollow at some point. that's probably because i used to perform the same spoken word pieces all the time and i got a little sick of it. I really want to get back into writing and have some new stuff i can be proud of.

This probably sounds a little weird, but ther's been times where i;ve been struggling with some emotional thing or just a hard project, and i start talking/writing to myself to try and figure it out. It helps me and i realize i already have a lot of answers that i might not even be aware of.

there are so many things we could do in a writing circle. i think it would be good to do an introductory thing where we share on our history as writers, and what kinds of writers we want to be. Sharing writing we've done/are doing could fit into that. Then we could do exercises like what you're saying. We could brainstorm topics we want to explore more, or try to emulate styles of different authors we like. We could come up with a project that will involve the kind of writing we want to do. We could perform or speak or writing. and a lot more...

I have some books with good writing advice, and i also want to research more on writing activities and stuff.

we should schedule something soon!

--sarah



Tue, 04/24/2007 - 12:36am
kid_prototype
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old poem

i wrote this in like 2003, it all came to me at once and was real inspiring. then i performed it a whole buncha times and got sick of it, but anway, here it is

STORIES

While waiting for the train at Union Square one night
It suddenly dawned on me
EVERYONE IS A STORYTELLER
The revelation came rushing towards me like an express train
driven by a conductor on a Friday night joyride,
screeching to a halt just seconds before crushing me with its enormous implications
EVERYONE IS A STORYTELLER
EVERYTHING IS A STORY
every crack in the wall, every stain on the floor
every mournful note conceived in the musician’s heart
and pushed through the saxophone as though that golden tube was a birth canal
and the song, a child

The quick click-clack, click-clack of a woman in a suit walking is a story
The click-clack of her heels striking the same place at the same time every day
is the rhythm of her routine
But listen – she’s humming to herself, “Somewhere Over the Rainbow…”

HOLY SHIT! The notion of the status of every single atom as storyteller,
every single molecule as prophet, was causing me to lose my sense of balance
I gripped onto the wooden bench, my mind reeling,
spinning as though it were a wheel driven by a continuous flow of thoughts

An elderly man waited at the edge of the platform
I began to study the wrinkles on his face, the topography of his life,
mapping out not only space but time
His wrinkles told of hard work and hearty laughter
illustrating every year like rings on a tree stump
And that was only the first chapter of his story – don’t even get me started on his shoes…

Four soldiers stand stoically by the entrance to the station,
too young to buy liquor but old enough to kill
the blinked-back tears in one of the boy’s eyes
speak volumes about homesickness and lost youth
Their knuckles are white grasping guns that weigh five times as much as the Iraqi baby who was born on the other side of the world just as my train arrived

The gray-haired man with wild eyes and a wheezing accordion
picks his way through the crowded N train with a tap-tap-tap of his cane
He may be blind but he can read you like a book,
read your callused fingertips like Braille as you hand him a quarter
The tunes he coaxes out of his well-worn instrument
will tell you stories and secret methods for seeing without eyesight, if you only listen

My fascination with the infinite number of stories
seeping through every crevice in existence would not allow me to sit still any longer
I got up and started to pace the length of the platform,
Every hair on my body standing on end like story antennae
“If these walls could talk…” What do you mean IF?
Not only do they talk, but they SING!
And so do the trees and concrete and cockroaches

The poet is a Story Archeologist,
excavating fossilized dreams from metamorphic chunks of compressed metaphors,
meticulously extracting fragments of experiences and skeletons of memories
from sedimentary layers of time,
frantically scrawling notes in ink the color of liquid bruises,
in hopes of documenting every idea and emotion that has ever existed

So you better grab your pen and get digging -- we’ve got a lot of work to do



Tue, 04/24/2007 - 8:48pm
ti-bak
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your poem.

I really liked your poem sarah. It has a lot of imagery and it really conveyed your trail of thought. I like your energy too, its excit(ed)ing. I've never heard or read your poetry before, hope you can perform this sometime.

About freewrites, Ive been doing a lot of them in school lately. We're in the process of writing a memoir and so everyday we'd have to freewrite on random memories for at least 10 minutes. I looked over them recently and compared them with my writings last year. I was saddened by my dwindling vocabulary and lackluster metaphors and similes. I wish I had the same dedication for writing as I did last year. Back then I would journal regularly. I also wrote a lot of research papers, speeches, reflections, poetry and autobiographical pieces.
Writing is and has been my creative and sentimental release valve.

I would love to explore creative writing like poetry and fiction stories. I think it also helps out to have a dialogue before writing to generate some ideas. Maybe we should make a list of what topics we want to focus on and writing styles we want to pursue. I agree with Cece that we should perform our pieces. I'm definitely excited about that.

A useful practce: I got into a habit of looking up and writing down words I don't understand. Like the nerd I am, I also make it a point to use the word right after I learn it. It helps build my vocabulary. However, I do agree with Brendan that sometimes this knowledge does not render convenience in most conversation.



Tue, 04/24/2007 - 10:44pm
kid_prototype
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if i was a good writer i could come up with a clever title

thanks leanne!

yeah, looking words up is a good idea. My vocabulary is crap. Also having a good lively discussion before writing definitely helps.

I have some writing/discussion topics i came up with a while ago:

- mentors/role/models/heros -- do you have any? who do you wish could be yr mentor?
- what inspires you? people, places, ideas, activities...
- stuff about relationships
- figuring things out for yourself versus having them explained to you
- who do you want to be? who are you afraid of becoming? do a future self portrait in words or images
- what are recurring themes in yr life?
- what is integrity? respect? wisdom?
- what is freedom? are you free? what would you do if you were truly free?
- mistakes you've learned from, advice you'd give to others
- how do you learn best?

I think that people will end up sharing a lot about themselves in a writing circle, and it can be a safe space as well as a space to develop our skills.

we said we'd talk about how we want to start one of the learning groups this thursday. maybe it can be writing since there seems to be a lot of interest.

--sarah



Thu, 04/26/2007 - 11:25am
HannahBarbarian
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Maybe we could also do

Maybe we could also do online discussion groups? I know there's a few people from outside of NYC on the boards, including myself. I think having online extensions of projects would allow more people to be involved. Just an idea!



Tue, 04/24/2007 - 11:13pm
mRg (not verified)
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Energy

it's great to see people taking an interest in this colab. I thought i would wait until i was back in a couple weeks, but this stuff is really taking off. everyone's ideas are really great. I'm interested in all types of writing from journalism to novels and can speak intelligently on all these forms. t.v scripts vs. screen scripts, short story vs. the novel, etc, etc...

writing circles are indeed a good thing and all the ideas that are coming out of this thread are a good example of why. my thoughts are kinda scattered at the moment, so i'll refrain from trying to wax intellectual on theory, form, or my own suggestions for learning to write well and have fun doin it Laughing out loud but i will leave you with one poem i wrote a while back that is the kind of free flow and one that was thought about more to see the differences. i won't suggest what you should notice. maybe we can discuss it further through this thread. which makes me realize this is one thing we could also do. present our work and open it up for discussions on issues surrounding said work. anyway here they are:

"Images"

Whiskey women and trail blazing adventure sparks the oil that lights the flame. Time tempted to spill over into unwanted machinations, the gears slicked and cranked at the ready to follow an ever winding road to oblivion. I sat up drinking thinking up this imaginary machine that turns gears into dreams. The lights of the eyes burn the hardwood floors of many moons and walked over the blue ones, yes much time has passed since I last left you hanging out the window to dry your tears, but before I could realize your raving algorithms, I thought I’d follow the sun and with angels in the outlets, I am electric. All charged like that wire you sold me while trying to stay alive. You snapped like a vine twisting in night’s wine. This is the vino that we drink. This is the uproar that causes panic to be dismantled…and we wait for the breakdown. The tenement windows lit up like fireflies and I’m still dreaming of a charged atom that has no force over the gears that have slipped past your eternity as the smoke of the engine hits your lips. I was wrestling with freedom, while you were wrestling with hopeless abandonment and trying to follow Rimbaud but got lost in the migrations of your own mind as you watch the moss grow old and grapes go sour. The green leaves shine in neon midnight and they are dying with you. I’m tired now that I’ve seen the steely gates of your laughter rising out of the sewer. A million pieces of me left on the ledge while you waited for the moon to jump. I shot arrows into diamond dirt and the asphalt you left behind. Ground in rushing to a reflection, a mirrored gaze cast in shadow with the heat of that engine and those gears. The smoke hit your lips and the dance begins again. The dance of a thousand nothings rolled into one because movement needs motive so the galaxies collide bursting forth with illumination of mind and mine was lost forever. So empty the pool that surrounds your deafening existence. Rise up from the last rays of an ever dying sOn. You know that your mood is that of hellish fire spread over hot concrete. And I am flying against the river of your discontent. I’m just feeling my way through the cracked metal, the shards of glass. I bleed over into moonshine and lick the amber from my wounds, while you ponder whiskey women, gears, atoms and the blue moon. You follow a winding road through electric angels, panic, and eternity. You twist in the neon midnight with a glass of vino in your hand, you are lucid as the smoke of that machine hits your lips, the dance begins again.

"Circles"

these guys i knew dusted off the dirt, and they fight like every night behind a bar.

and they fight for a crack whore who loves them for the cravings they will quench at 4am in a shooter, like no one ever got shot from a shooter, and they stay safe from the night's howls.

Or are they the howl, or, are they in the howl? as one draws first blood they like the gladiator spirit, and this is the only thing that moves them as the crack makes their minds still, and they need that like they need to draw blood from all manner of life.

and they fantasize about being alive when they sit on slow motion, a hand crooked like a monkey paw looking out windows every five seconds waiting for the third.

a Monkeyshine they call him, as he moves in the same circle in the same bar on the same night and steals for spite...to spite the men that left him bleeding, and now for him there's none left...only alley, and pipe, and whore, and two guys waiting to draw blood.

but they drink anyway to starve the pain, it comes through in a shooter, like no one ever got shot from a shooter...and they move in this circle



Fri, 04/27/2007 - 3:28pm
mynweb
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reading, writing, talking

first off michael i really like yr poems, a lot of really strong imagery and elliptical rhythm. We scheduled our 1st writing circle for may 8th, so you'll be back by then. we wanted to focus on staring stuff for the first one.

Hannah, i like the idea of online discussion groups. Maybe we could come up with some topics and see who's interested. Also I tried to start an online reading group a while back, that might be cool.

--sarah



Mon, 04/30/2007 - 12:06pm
HannahBarbarian
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reading groups

Sorry for the threadjack, but I really like the idea of online reading/discussion groups- and that could definitely tie into the writing circles, etc, it's all connected, after all.



Sat, 04/28/2007 - 1:03pm
xcriteria
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nice

I don't think I've ever written with kind of imagery Sarah or Michael use... it's cool.

We should definitely have an online component to the group. People could post what they share in the in-person group, and we could post some kind of meeting notes. We could even make the online group private, so only people who subscribe to the group can see. What does everyone think of that?

ti-bak wrote:
A useful practce: I got into a habit of looking up and writing down words I don't understand. Like the nerd I am, I also make it a point to use the word right after I learn it. It helps build my vocabulary. However, I do agree with Brendan that sometimes this knowledge does not render convenience in most conversation.

Since at least several of us are interested in improving our vocabulary (and using it more), maybe we could specifically try to use a wider range of vocabulary in MYN meetings and on the site. I've noticed that in general, vocabulary can be "contagious" in that people tend to pick up some of the language people around them use, without even noticing it.



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